Ive heard other people say a similar thing about the Sub Phatty, and of course Ive heard even more people say the opposite (they love the SP and some people feel its their favourite Moog). He doesn't like it, and he determined that after playing around with it. If anything, the SubPhatty has a slightly more complex architecture than the LP, so it should be capable of all LP sounds plus some more. I'm sorry but your post doesn't make any sense at all.Įxactly. I've had a Little Phatty (now a Slim after a few years) and never felt that way. pretty boring and I felt really limited and like I would get tired of it quickly. I liked the Sub better at NAMM when I had a few minutes with it. There's a lot more to Moog's Subsequent 25 than meets the eye.īack in November 2014, Gordon Reid reviewed the Moog Sub 37.LeFreq wrote:I didn't like the Sub Phatty. He was impressed by its combination of hands-on, uncompromising design and, of course, the classic Moog sound. At the time it represented a return to form for Moog. So can the diminutive Subsequent 25 carve its own place? Sub Normal In the intervening years the analogue monosynth market has become ever more crowded and Moog's own Grandmother and Matriarch synths have set a new company standard for '70s analogue allure. The Subsequent 25 is a Subsequent 37 at heart, carefully whittled. But if you read the marketing copy, you'll notice it's presented as an update, or successor, to the Sub Phatty. The visual similarities between the two are undeniable. The Sub Phatty is a two octave monosynth with almost the exact same front–panel layout. It was also reviewed by Gordon, back in June 2013. The Sub Phatty ultimately fathered the Sub 37, which gave way to the Subsequent 37 (see the 'Sub Vs Subsequent' box), which has now sired the Subsequent 25. To put it another way, Moog have taken many of the improvements made in the Subsequent 37 and put them, largely, back into the Sub Phatty. Confused? I'm not surprised, it's a confusing product line, but I'll attempt to clarify it as we go along.įor the purposes of this review I think it easier to see the Subsequent 25 as a trimmer, leaner Subsequent 37. If you want a quick reference of exactly what has changed, again see the 'Sub Vs Subsequent' box. For the most part, they share the same synthesis engine. The obvious differences are a shorter, 25-key keyboard and a dramatic reduction in physical controls to better match the Sub Phatty layout.ĭespite the much simpler front panel, more features have been retained than you might think. A lot of lesser used functions remain as what Moog call 'hidden parameters', accessed via a Shift mode. The first can generally be turned on or off, or selected from a small number of options - things like enabling duo mode, pitch-bend ranges, MIDI sync, LFO re-triggering, etc - many of which had dedicated buttons on the Subsequent 37. These require the use of Shift mode and the keybed to select specific options. The second are variable parameters, which are accessed by entering Shift mode and using the front–panel knobs - things like extra envelope parameters, external input level and oscillator beat frequency, which don't have their own dedicated controls anymore. By hiding away a lot of the lesser used functions, Moog have managed to keep a great deal of the Subsequent 37's synthesis engine, whilst reducing the complexity, size and cost. The Subsequent 37 and 25 are two-note paraphonic analogue monosynths. They both share the same core architecture with dual variable waveform oscillators, a sub-oscillator, mixer section with feedback control, and the classic Moog ladder filter. Both wield dual DAHDSR envelopes and LFO sections, although there is only a single LFO on the Subsequent 25, instead of the dual LFOs on the Subsequent 37. The sequencer and arpeggiator from the Subsequent 37 also didn't make the cut. The paraphonic mode, which Moog call 'Duo mode', allows for the two oscillators to be played independently on the keyboard. Oscillator 2 will track either the highest or lowest note, depending on what preference you have set. The sloped design, which originated with the Moog Little Phatty and continued through the Sub Phatty and Subsequent 37, is retained. The steel chassis, wooden end cheeks and aluminium curved back panel look as beautiful as ever. In short, no compromises have been made to the build quality. The Subsequent 25 feels every bit as premium as the Subsequent 37. The Subsequent 25 has a side rather than a rear panel, and this features an IEC mains socket, audio I/O, CV and gate sockets, MIDI I/O and a USB socket. The exact same connectivity side panel offers MIDI in and out via 5-pin DIN or USB, CV inputs for gate, pitch, volume and filter, audio in and out, and an IEC mains socket for internal 100-240 V, 50/60 Hz AC power supply. The keyboard retains its modulation and pitch-bend wheels and its velocity sensitivity, but sadly loses aftertouch.
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